Discussing Fear With Lindsey McKeon & Chris Evans

If you’ve been a long time reader of Raindrops of Sapphire (thank you if you have!), you might remember an interview I did with the hugely intelligent and wonderful, Lindsey McKeon, back in 2015 about her experiences in life, being comfortable with who she is, health and more. If you missed it, you can check it out here. I’m lucky enough to have kept in touch with Lindsey since we first met a couple of years ago and consider her a beautiful friend, one who has helped me in so many ways, so I’m honoured to be sharing this new blog post with you.

So, what’s it about? Lindsey and Chris Evans have been friends since they were 16 and have the same spiritual connection and view of the world, which is something they have journeyed on independently, but together at the same time. If you haven’t seen her previous video with Chris, you can check that out here as it’s very in depth and inspirational. But for this blog post, they’re touching on a different subject – fear.

Do you let your past dictate your future? Who we are when we’re growing up often defines who we become for the rest of our lives. We are shaped by our individual insecurities and our desperate need to fit in. Allowing our fear to run us, most of us get stuck in this cycle for the entirety of our lives.

To cover this subject in more depth, Lindsey and Chris sat down together to discuss it in a series of YouTube videos which will be released over the coming weeks. This is part 1 below which touches on learning to be the observer of your mind – the watcher – instead of fighting it and being consumed by the negativity. You can watch it just below and you can also read mine and Lindsey’s conversation just underneath about both of our own experiences with negativity, fear, and being consumed by it as we age. I hope you enjoy it! You can also check out Lindsey’s blog ‘Evolve by Lindsey’ here.

Lorna – I know it’s a hard question and one that many people strive to obtain, but do you have any tips that have helped you (and Chris) learn to become the watcher? To separate the fear based voice and not react to it?

Lindsey – We’ve both done a lot of studying – books, meditation, teachers, retreats, etc. It is a practice. Just like going to the gym or changing your diet, it takes commitment.

Firstly, you must become aware that there is a voice talking inside your head (I know that can sound scary but we all know it to a certain degree). Once you see that there is a voice narrating your life then you realize there is the voice (and another voice that will answer back to that voice and have an entire conversation- all inside of you-yikes!) and there is the one watching the voice. You want to be the watcher, the observer. It is greater than the ego identity.

It’s definitely true that there’s a whole mixture of voices in your head, and having a conversation with yourself internally in a matter of seconds is quite daunting if you think about it. So essentially, if you can become aware of that internal conversation going on, and just observe what’s happening rather than get involved in the debate, that’s one way of evolving and not being consumed by fear. It definitely makes sense. And like you said, it definitely takes practice as I know it’s not easy at all.Β 

As an example, I’ve struggled with fear and anxiety all my life. There have been points where I couldn’t leave the house, I would have panic attacks, my OCD would be really bad etc and it was all rooted in fear and the ‘what if?’ mentality that you believe is actually real. The things you end up listening to in your brain make absolutely no sense, yet you listen anyway because of the control that fear has over you. What do you think makes our brains wired this way to listen to this voice rather than the positive ones?

I’ve struggled with anxiety, and depression in the past as well. It’s one of the hardest things to deal with because the fear keeps dragging you down with it. The only thing that alleviates the fear is walking through it and disproving it, but that’s the last thing you want to do. Fear wants you to run.

To me, it’s the greatest gift, fear – it’s my body’s own navigational tool showing me there’s something I’m unwilling to look at that I need to deal with. And in order to grow I must walk through that fear and see what is on the other side.

Now, to answer your question… I think our mind is a powerful tool – we are the only living thing that can ask ourselves a question and come up with an answer. It’s necessary in recognizing our own consciousness. However, we have gotten out of control and our minds now run us.

We are run by our fears, for many reasons… Because we live in a civilized world where we must adopt the ideas the culture has in order to fit in – this conditioning begins as soon as we are born and then really solidifies once we go to school. So we then find ourselves reacting out of what will make us fit in, or be received well, instead of what our purest desire is. And the marketing industry knows this, and creates ads and commercials and billboards, all based off that very same concept. All day we are bombarded with fitting into society.

Imagine if we lived in a society that was based off of our own uniqueness and asked us everyday instead what brought us the most joy…? If only we all lived in a tribe that worshiped that concept, life would be so much easier!

That makes sense. I used to find that whenever I am positive, I didn’t believe myself. I’m learning day by day to focus on the positive thoughts and change the way my mind behaves, but due to the programming, it can be hard and it feels like the false voice or the untrustworthy voice (the bad you sitting on the shoulder) is the genuine voice, as we’re so accustomed to the negative.

It’s true there is social pressure and fear from such a young age. Now I’m older, I don’t understand why people always need to conform and be just like everyone else. There’s something like 30 trillion cells in the human body and they turnover every 30-40 days, which to me means that no two people are exactly the same at all. So surely we should be embracing our uniqueness and differences, not hiding them through fear and being ridiculed for it…

As someone who has been through so much negativity in the spotlight in Hollywood and around so much fake-ness, how have you managed to see the differences in how you think and feel in such a clear way?

I’ve spent so much time on this – on myself, trial and error, searching to and fro. My younger years were spent feeling different and trying to fit in, to no avail. Then I got into drugs and alcohol to numb the part of me that didn’t feel connected but didn’t know what else to do. Then I spent many years on spiritual sabbatical looking deep within. To finally come to a place where I don’t feel I need to search anymore. I don’t feel I need to run I am finally comfortable with who I am – the flaws, the imperfections – I am who I am in this life and I have embraced it in a whole new way. The need to fit in is sloughing off and I’m able to do what I need, when I need, for myself. I’m really good at listening to myself these days – not my ego mind but the pure place that is always there, waiting for me to acknowledge it.

I’m so happy for you and proud of you, Lindsey. Being able to achieve that and obtain such contentment and happiness with yourself and who you are is a goal that so many try to achieve. Being perceptive and aware of how the mind works (like Chris said) and not being consumed by it really needs to be something that everyone takes on board and thinks about, in order to be in a more powerful and in control place.

It’s something I’ve been learning for years and working on too. I like who I am as a person and I pretty much never feel jealousy as I’m content with myself, but sometimes I do feel that negative voice creeping in in other ways. It can be relentless and make no sense, but I think as you said, it’s something that needs to be worked on continuously to further our journey with many struggles along the way.

Let me be very clear, it’s still a process. I don’t think there is ever any end, that one day we’ll just wake up feeling perfect and complete. It’s an up-and-down roller coaster because we are spiritual beings living with minds, those two things will always be at odds. It’s our job to constantly remember which one is more true and holds more validity to us – the thing that has been here forever and will be here when we die, or our brain? As long as we are human I believe we will always be a work in progress. Coming to terms with that is what brings peace.

Thank you for sharing these thoughts with myself and my readers. I’m excited for the next chapter!Β Lorna xx.



  1. Ali
    September 29, 2017 / 12:51 am

    What a wonderful interview. I’m 51 and only just starting on a different path of discovery in my life. X

    • Lorna
      September 29, 2017 / 1:52 am

      I hope you are able to find some happiness and understanding with it x

  2. September 30, 2017 / 2:53 am

    I definitely have an inner voice, but it spends its time doing voice impersonations rather than giving me any useful advice.

    Maybe things will change. Surely I have some time left.

    • Lorna
      September 30, 2017 / 11:13 am

      Ha ha! Well that’s interesting actually!

    • Lorna
      September 30, 2017 / 11:14 am

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  3. Gabrielle
    September 30, 2017 / 2:24 pm

    I love that you’ve become friends since meeting a couple of years ago, that’s so special. I love her point about it being an up-and-down rollercoaster, and not one definitive day that your mindset 100% changes – wise words!

    aglassofice.com x

    • Lorna
      September 30, 2017 / 3:53 pm

      She’s definitely a very wise and in tune woman. So happy you liked it!

    • Lorna
      September 30, 2017 / 3:53 pm

      You’re welcome!

  4. October 1, 2017 / 1:07 pm

    I really liked reading this interview Lorna. I haven’t seen anything quite like this covered in detail on a blog before, so it’s definitely very refreshing and insightful. It’s great to learn more about Lindsey and Chris on a personal level too. Thanks for making me aware of Lindsey’s blog. You asked lots of good questions in the interview, making this a fascinating read!

    Lots of love Saba xx


    • Lorna
      October 1, 2017 / 2:13 pm

      Hi Saba! So pleased you enjoyed it and found it interesting xx.

    • Lorna
      October 1, 2017 / 8:05 pm

      Glad you liked it πŸ™‚

  5. October 1, 2017 / 5:44 pm

    I’m writing this comment having read the full text of this entry but not yet having watched the video – though I will do later. πŸ™‚

    Anyway, I had an interesting little encounter with fear and anxiety this weekend. On Saturday I was the best man at a friend’s wedding which, of course, entailed making a speech as part of my duties. That is so daunting, to someone as shy as myself, to even think of standing up in front of a room full of wedding guests and making a speech. I had two worries really… I was worried that I’d struggle to do the speech and worries about, even if I delivered it well, would people enjoy it… would I be the only one to find my jokes funny?

    I had an almost 3 hours journey time on Saturday during which I was very nervous indeed… then, oddly, I felt much calmer as soon as I was at the venue… when the time came to do my speech at about 7pm I felt almost relaxed… My heart was pounding a bit… but it didn’t feel like fear at all at that point. It was a very strange experience really and I was surprised at how enjoyable it was. πŸ™‚ I’d prepared well though… I’d typed and printed it out… it was about 1,000 words. I’d then spent some of the spare time during the “nothing happening” moments of the day meeting some of the guests so, by the time the evening came, significantly fewer of the people I was stood in front of were total strangers. πŸ™‚

    • Lorna
      October 1, 2017 / 8:07 pm

      Oh well done, Steven! That’s amazing that you managed to eliminate most of that fear. It’s true, nothing seems to be as scary or as daunting as we build up in our minds, so it’s very much a state of mind when we feel that way. It’s not actually true. So crazy when you actually think about it πŸ™‚

      • October 1, 2017 / 10:23 pm

        Thank you. πŸ™‚ Yes, and wedding guests are the most generous audience possible anyway. It’s such a happy occasion and they are all on the side of the speaker before a single word is uttered… yet somehow that rather obvious fact gets obscured in the mind by so many crazy “what if” ideas. πŸ™‚

        Of course, my other duties included keeping the groom as relaxed and untroubled as possible – so there just wasn’t time for me to do any worrying for myself when the day came. πŸ™‚

        • Lorna
          October 1, 2017 / 10:59 pm

          Sometimes that’s the best thing! When you have something else to do, or someone to look after and take care of, your own troubles take a back seat πŸ™‚

    • Lorna
      October 1, 2017 / 10:56 pm

      Glad you liked it!

    • Lorna
      October 1, 2017 / 10:58 pm

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  6. October 1, 2017 / 9:32 pm

    Such an important topic! Observing my thoughts is something I’m starting to do, and it’s interesting how it can change your perspective.

    • Lorna
      October 1, 2017 / 10:58 pm

      It definitely can with the way our brains are programmed. It’s interesting to see how it tries to stop you with fear.

  7. Elle
    October 1, 2017 / 11:03 pm

    Excellent interview and such a relavent topic! Fear is functional and definitely has an important purpose, but we have to be able to control the narrative in our head to help us go forward! Perspective is everything! Thanks for sharing!

    • Lorna
      October 1, 2017 / 11:27 pm

      So glad you agree and understand the topic too! It really is hugely helpful and a necessary part of survival, but when it creeps into our lives for situations that are not life threatening, it causes so much trouble. Perspective definitely is everything!

  8. October 2, 2017 / 12:08 am

    What a beautiful and insightful read this interview has been! I myself struggle with anxiety and depression and this post definitely made me think about things from a different perspective πŸ™‚

    • Lorna
      October 2, 2017 / 11:48 am

      Sorry to hear you do too, I know how horrible it can be, so I’m glad this post helped in some way πŸ™‚

  9. October 2, 2017 / 11:55 am

    That’s a really great and relevant topic to have! I would love to listen to more of these. Would definitely make my commute more bearable. Might I add that it’s so cool for you guys to be in touch all this time. That connection is special. πŸ™‚


    • Lorna
      October 2, 2017 / 11:58 am

      There are more coming πŸ™‚ Really glad you’re enjoying it! Friendships definitely are special, especially when they can work overseas!

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